Thread: DISCORSO MAFIOSO

Originally Posted by mutton

/whore kt

scyld let's see what happens with a tie

Excuse me?

Now if you would, sir, be so kind as to step aside so I may form the angry lynch mob into an angry lynch orderly cue against bfdirty.


There we are. Now that that is over with, I er vote to /lynch KT in the hopes of getting a tie

ok at this point I don't think it's bfdirty and I'm more uncertain about kt.
However I'm pretty damn sure that there is no reason to vote for Sailor Jack or Sycld, so whilst I'm definitely still up for being convinced to change my vote, it's not going to be from kt to anyone who's been voted for so far.
So if Kt. changes her vote to someone else and provides me with a valid argument for their being a mafioso, I'll probably go with her.

Originally Posted by mutton

that doesn't help your cause
the logical thing would be to lynch kt to save yourself while giving some sort of defence
sailor jack is right about you being a liability

/lynch mutton

I admit that my initial judgement that Sailor Jack was in need of death was hasty. In retrospect it would have been best to wait for someone else to be the one to break the silence. Unfortunately, I cant rewrite the past. I can however correct my mistakes, and after listening to the people here I have decided that Mutton is the greatest threat among us at the moment. You just seem to be giving too much thought to the chess of this life. You seem to have a conniving sort of nature about you. I am just trying to survive. You seem to be trying to win some sort of... game?

I'm pretty sure everyone else has just decided that you three are clearly the mafioso.
I'm more convinced about KT than ever and I'm pretty convinced about you Think (but that's still open for another "day" as I'm not switching my vote from KT). The sudden switching from KT to Mutton (and KTs abrupt following) was very cleverly executed but I, for one, don't buy it.
Mutton I'm on the fence about because you clearly wouldn't make such an emphatic case against lynching him if he was in cahoots with you two. I still have mild suspicions about Sailor Jack (his defence after bfdirty voted for him).

Actually, bfdirty also suddenly switched to Mutton in a VERY bandwagon like way which leads me to think he must be the third mafioso.

It was incredible.

The townsfolk hemmed and hawed all day, switching votes back and forth, but by the end of it, nobody got six votes, and so nobody was marched up to the gallows, nobody threw bitter last words at the crowd and nobody died. There were still THREE mafia loose in town.

Good job, town, you managed to... oh. wait. No, you really didn't do anything at all.

Night 1 Begins

Please send me your night actions asap.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

Good job, town, you managed to... oh. wait. No, you really didn't do anything at all.

Originally Posted by coqauvin

This was a great loss for the town, because it turned out the Sailor Jack was the POLIZIA, capable of investigating a player each night and determining their role.

Lol





...crap.

The townsfolk hemmed and hawed all day, switching votes back and forth, but by the end of it, nobody got six votes, and so nobody was marched up to the gallows, nobody threw bitter last words at the crowd and nobody died. There were still THREE mafia loose in town.

It's down to 5 votes required now, right? Well... hopefully it'll be easier to come to a consensus, now that... err... our police force has been killed off by the organized criminal element...

ps final voting figures were:

sycld (1)
Vengeful Scars

KT.(3)
simonj, mutton, sycld

bfdirty (3)
Shitface, Infernus, Sailor Jack

mutton (3)
think, KT., bfdirty

I know my mafs

Day 2 Begins

It was a busy night. Sailor Jack, a good, law-abiding townie was walking home from the ol' lynchin' hall thinking of the troubles he'd been having with his wife and how maybe he'd sleep in his office tonight. Poor ol' Jack turned up next morning in his office, bottle empty, completely dead from lead poisoning. Lead poisoning? Yeah, he ate it. From a gun. Turns out the Mafia got the lead in him from shooting him in the back of the head. One of the jerks even spray-painted their logo on his wall. This was a great loss for the town, because it turned out the Sailor Jack was the POLIZIA, capable of investigating a player each night and determining their role.

This is harsh news for a town under fire. 9 players remain, 5 to lynch.


editor's note: that was fuckin fast, good job guys.

So, to those suspicious of me: yes I've been very loud and brash, yes I've been PMing people to alter the vote, but consider in what way. I did not see substantial evidence to suggest bfdirty was a mobster, therefore I tried to weaken the vote to kill someone I saw as being a villager. I made bfdirty rescind his vote in favour of sailor jack and repeatedly stood against unreasonable attacks on sailor jack (consider that in light of what we now know).
I helped to mobilise a vote against KT. when the evidence seemed to point in that direction, and then, after long discussion both in thread and via PM, having come to the conclusion that she may not be a werewolf (that it was no longer reasonable suspicion, not that she is in the clear), I ensured a three-way tie by insisting KT and bfdirty vote with me against mutton. In the process I could examine both KT's and bfdirty's reasoning and co-operation, both of which seemed sufficient to suggest that they may be villagers. I PMed Infernus and tried to get him to change his vote from bfdirty to KT to again avoid a bfdirty killing majority. Here you can see that I didn't simply decide to switch from KT to Mutton and that I genuinely wanted to avoid a lynching. I also PMed Mutton in an effort to ensure that he didn't feel the battle lines descending between the bloc I'd formed and him, and that at least I could act as intermediary.
I shan't pretend that I have wholly ceased to suspect either KT or Mutton, or pretend that if one of them had been killed rather than bfdirty I wouldn't have considered that I had substantially increased our chances of killing a werewolf. What I will say is that whilst it may be natural for the three of us (loud and brash as we are) to each suspect the others, the rest of you ought to be quite careful about suspecting all three of us; if even just one of us is a villager, they are the most committed villager in the game so far. I suspect that at least two of us are villagers. One of them is me. Obviously.
You may think it an act of sabotage merely to have prevented a lynching yesterday. I answer: we had no candidate upon whom reasonable suspicion could be placed, and whilst the likelihood of killing a mafioso during the day is obviously higher than during the night, that means naught unless we do actually choose a mafioso. You may doubt my reasoning, but not, I think, my intentions.

lynch Think

more people need to die, and the mafia needs to die this day

also I couldn't be bother to listen to that man's babbling, I had more important shit to do that day

Vote count thus far:

Think (2)
KT., Vengeful Scars

KT. (1)
bfdirty

pretty sure I didn't need to do this, but I figure updates are always welcome

Originally Posted by ShitFace

Man, paragraph that shit, this isn't flames.

Think wants stream of consciousness to be viewed as a valid expository style of writing.

Originally Posted by Infernus

You see if Think is the mafia than we do need to lynch him asap, but if he is a townie than he would be one of our greatest assets, because he truly is trying to find the mafia.

Goddamn it, I lost everything that I had typed, so I'll be succinct...

Keep in mind that I'm half asleep, so pardon logical gaps and no gude English (I just want to slap something up after losing my original post).

Three motivations for which coq would choose anyone to be a mafioso: random selection, selection because he (or whore, for KT) would be interesting, or to throw us off.

bfdirty would have been such... just no. He could have been the ultimate spoof choice, I wouldn't put that past coq. But considering that he'd have to cooperate with two other guys here, he would have either been dead weight or a liability.

At any rate, Think had either devised a grand plan to completely throw us off his scent (he is a scheming papist after all, basically halfway into the Mafia as it is), or he was honest in his thoughtfulness and in his efforts to prevent a premature lynching.

I don't believe, for now, that Think is Mafia.

I also am, for now, leaning against KT being Mafia. Goddamn it, lol.. I can't remember what my reasoning was behind it, but let's just say for now that I, at least, am thinking KT is not in the Mafia.

God, I don't know about mutton... he seemed to be vacillating. But honestly, I feel like that was mutton just being... muttonly, so I'm thinking he might not be a mafioso.

Right now, I'm suspicious of Infernus (and not because of his first post :-p). He just seems to be making short posts without any thought behind them, almost as though to just make a show of participation and nothing more.

And KT is like the poor man's version of Think

Now with 100% more syphilis!

Originally Posted by sycld

Right now, I'm suspicious of Infernus (and not because of his first post :-p). He just seems to be making short posts without any thought behind them, almost as though to just make a show of participation and nothing more.

But that might just be infernus being infernus.
I'm still thinking about my vote. Will provide reasoning soon.

Originally Posted by mutton

- Think's pm to me was a lie

Wait... what exactly did Think tell you in his PM? I looked back in this thread, and I couldn't find it...

Originally Posted by sycld

Just wondering Think... what the hell was all that about werewolves?

I'm used to playing TWG.
By which I mean we are facing a horde of werewolf mafia. They desecrated the host and have been cursed to think like animals. Or something.

Originally Posted by bfdirty

/lynch Kt

In truth the oddest thing was the willingness of think and kt to work together to save me despite their outward appearance of conflict. I cannot say that this proves they are Mafia, but I cannot ignore it. They will squabble this round and eventually choose to vote for others.

Originally Posted by mutton

/lynch Think or kt if there are more votes for her by the end of day 2

- i expect kt's vote (for Think) to change by the end of day 2 for seemingly no reason, like it did on day 1

Having thought about it, I realise that these posts preclude kt from legitimately changing her mind about me and force me to vote for her lynching, under threat of our being lynched ourselves.
I regard this as being incredibly suspicious and will not be cajoled and played in this way. This is a false dichotomy. I know how this will be seen (consider why it looks that way and you'll understand why I'm doing it anyway) but I will not go quietly, I will not play strategically when the rules have already been set by others.
/unlynch kt
lynch mutton

I'd like to add that I'm becoming very suspicious of Shitface, Infernus and VS who have all been relatively quiet in the game. It's entirely possible (and plausible) that their strategy is to stay quiet and avoid suspicion, killing people off during the night until there's so few people left they can quite easily swing the votes to their majority. However, I'm not about to try and start a lynching against any one of them on day 2. I just wanted to throw that out there.

Originally Posted by simonj

However, I'm not about to try and start a lynching against any one of them on day 2. I just wanted to throw that out there.

Well, I mean why not? I mean I agree insofar as we should not be hasty, but at the end of this day we have to come to a consensus on someone whom a simple majority of us thinks is in the Mafia so we can get out ye olde lynching rope and hang them on high so as to put on an entertaining spectacle for the peasantry.

At any rate, as I said before, out of that short list you mentioned, I suspect Infernus the most. On the other hand, Think is possibly correct that it could be just Infernus being Infernal. Also, the possibility of mutton being in the mob can't be discounted entirely either, though again I think it's just mutton being muttonly.


As for Think, it seems that he was primarily the one whose machinations caused a lynching to be avoided on the first day. His logic and designs were so circuitous and involved so much private communications that it was hard for me to follow. However, I can only think of two reasons why he would try to avoid a lynching at all:

1) He genuinely was trying to prevent a premature execution, as a poorly motivated guess had a high chance of us being down two people, as the Mafia was going to kill one of us off anyway.

2) We were close to offing one of his fellow mafioso, and he determined that the best outcome he could get would be inaction because he felt it impossible to cast enough suspicion on an innocent villager.


For now, let's set aside possibility #1, just to explore in hypothetical scenarios how option 2 could very well have played out, given what we know. For if option 2 is correct, we may very well be able to determine the identities of not one but two members of the Mafia that have dared to insinuate themselves upon our once peaceful insular bigoted little hamlet. I mean it's still as insular and bigoted as ever, just not quite so peaceful.

At any rate, IF option 2 is true, and that is a big if as it is all in caps, I would be most inclined to think that Think and bfdirty were both Mafia. Again, let me emphasize: this is all hypothetical. A bfdirty majority vote was close to being achieved, but then it fell apart thanks mostly to Think. After that it wasn't clear that he could 6 votes for anyone else, so clearly the best strategy would be to throw suspicion around the group and distract everyone from the newfag with the delicious target sign painted on him.


If he isn't Mafia, however, then his conniving, scheming papist brain could be put to good use for us, as we have already seen, and we can always deliver him up to a kangaroo court on charges of heresy and witchcraft after the Mafia is dealt with.

Originally Posted by sycld

Well, I mean why not? I mean I agree insofar as we should not be hasty, but at the end of this day we have to come to a consensus on someone whom a simple majority of us thinks is in the Mafia so we can get out ye olde lynching rope and hang them on high so as to put on an entertaining spectacle for the peasantry.

At any rate, as I said before, out of that short list you mentioned, I suspect Infernus the most. On the other hand, Think is possibly correct that it could be just Infernus being Infernal. Also, the possibility of mutton being in the mob can't be discounted entirely either, though again I think it's just mutton being muttonly.


As for Think, it seems that he was primarily the one whose machinations caused a lynching to be avoided on the first day. His logic and designs were so circuitous and involved so much private communications that it was hard for me to follow. However, I can only think of two reasons why he would try to avoid a lynching at all:

1) He genuinely was trying to prevent a premature execution, as a poorly motivated guess had a high chance of us being down two people, as the Mafia was going to kill one of us off anyway.

2) We were close to offing one of his fellow mafioso, and he determined that the best outcome he could get would be inaction because he felt it impossible to cast enough suspicion on an innocent villager.


For now, let's set aside possibility #1, just to explore in hypothetical scenarios how option 2 could very well have played out, given what we know. For if option 2 is correct, we may very well be able to determine the identities of not one but two members of the Mafia that have dared to insinuate themselves upon our once peaceful insular bigoted little hamlet. I mean it's still as insular and bigoted as ever, just not quite so peaceful.

At any rate, IF option 2 is true, and that is a big if as it is all in caps, I would be most inclined to think that Think and bfdirty were both Mafia. Again, let me emphasize: this is all hypothetical. A bfdirty majority vote was close to being achieved, but then it fell apart thanks mostly to Think. After that it wasn't clear that he could 6 votes for anyone else, so clearly the best strategy would be to throw suspicion around the group and distract everyone from the newfag with the delicious target sign painted on him.


If he isn't Mafia, however, then his conniving, scheming papist brain could be put to good use for us, as we have already seen, and we can always deliver him up to a kangaroo court on charges of heresy and witchcraft after the Mafia is dealt with.

If this can be considered consensus, then I would reply that I would be willing to help vote off bfdirty today if that's really what's needed to clear my sheet (much as it pains me to have in that case actually just wasted a day). If he's not Mafia, hopefully option one is sufficiently feasible for all of you. If he is mafia the the heat is off (as it is we only have two days to lynch someone, but if we get one tonight we're ok for a while) and you're free to waste a day killing me off if that's absolutely necessary (don't expect me not to come up with some reasoning, even sophistry if need be, for getting rid of someone else, though).
But if all of you can just for a second suspend the hysterics and stick with me for a little then for god's sake let's kill someone more likely to be a mafioso.

Originally Posted by Think

If this can be considered consensus, then I would reply that I would be willing to help vote off bfdirty today if that's really what's needed to clear my sheet (much as it pains me to have in that case actually just wasted a day). If he's not Mafia, hopefully option one is sufficiently feasible for all of you. If he is mafia the the heat is off (as it is we only have two days to lynch someone, but if we get one tonight we're ok for a while) and you're free to waste a day killing me off if that's absolutely necessary (don't expect me not to come up with some reasoning, even sophistry if need be, for getting rid of someone else, though).
But if all of you can just for a second suspend the hysterics and stick with me for a little then for god's sake let's kill someone more likely to be a mafioso.

Well it's easiest to scrutinize the guy that has said the most, y'know ;p

Also, can you really blame us for focusing for now on your manipulations of the first day's votes, so as to assure ourselves of your pure motivations?

At any rate, I'm willing to stick with you for a little, if you'd give me something to put to my sticking place. Before this, the last thing I've read from you was a post of definite indecision.