/lynch a black man
Yeah I realised before that using the Bar to kill the Werewolves could be used as an exploit, but I obviously just didn't go far enough to fix it.
It can be fixed very easily however, despite all Atmoscheers crowing about it.
All that needs to change is that the Werewolf or Werewolves aren't identified if they are in the bar.
I'll assign a new Werewolf and Van Helsing randomly.
Last edited by MrShrike; 10-01-2010 at 04:15 PM.
Rightyo, can't hurt. We'll make it Barkeep + 2
That also makes identifying the Werewolf or not irrelevant
Ok players re-assigned, and rules updated.
Day 1 Begins (again)
it's not fixed
Van Helsing PM me.
If I get multiple PMs from players claiming to be Van Helsing, I'll make it public and we'll have an easy win. Don't fuck with me, Werewolf.
Here is our advantage: When the game has 7 players, as long as 4 of them are known town (that is to say, Van Helsing and 2 people who are holed up in the bar with me), the town automatically wins. Depending on the day/night this occurs, we'll either lynch to go 4-2 or Van Helsing will kill a werewolf that night, and they will kill him to make it 3-2. Then we can lynch and hole up to safety. Note: innocent townies will die, but that is part of the role of the townie.
So, all we have to do is get to 7 players with 4 confirmed, (Van Helsing would be nice, too, but we can win without him alive.)
Van Helsing will reveal himself to me, and the town will lynch someone who isn't him (just follow my vote.) Tonight, I'll let two people into the bar. I'll reveal these two people to Van Helsing. If we die tonight, he will know who the werewolf is and we can lynch him. If we live, then we will confirm two townies and we'll have the 4 confirmed town players we need.
Van Helsing will kill someone tonight, and the werewolf will convert someone. We will then be down to 9 players--2 Werewolves, 1 Barkeep, 1 Van Helsing, 2 confirmed town, and 3 unconfirmed town. Everyone will follow my lynch vote, and we'll probably kill another townie. That night, Van Helsing will kill someone (again probably a townie), as will a Werewolf (can't convert twice in a row.) We'll then be down to 7 players: 5 town, 2 werewolves. We lynch someone, and Van Helsing wins the game for us the next night as described above.
In conclusion...
WTF I never get to be Mafia/informed minority
I was the werewolf until Mr Strike re-assigned the roles.
To be fair, if the those two roles were kept secret then the fact that the uninvolved townies in the first couple of nights would have to take the word of the others could make for a fairly interesting game.
Atmoscheer, you're wrong, because you forget the same thing you did last time, that neither Van Helsing, nor the Barkeep are invulnerable. Particularly if you use the bait and switch method you suggest.
If you're really this obsessed with being petty and killing this game off, then why don't you just not play. Then everyone else can get on with it. Your call.
Actually, forget it. Clearly this is not going to work now no matter how good the game mechanic are or aren't.
It would have been nice for you to explain the original problem BEFORE the game started Atmosfear, but clearly you got more enjoyment out of waiting till it started so you be play the hero. Nevermind, next game.
I said effectively invulnerable. The threat of wasting a turn on a protected target is enough to keep that target safe. Add the pure odds of guessing Van Helsing, plus the fact that the conversion power only works every other night and you're looking at a player who's going to live a while. And the Barkeep is definitely invulnerable. The only chance he has of dying is the first night, and that spells certain death for the werewolf.
I don't understand how formulating dominant strategies makes me petty. You made the rules and didn't listen to me. I told you it wouldn't work. If one player ignores the best strategy available to him in the interest of keeping the game going, how can any player develop a meaningful strategy?
And besides, I'm not the one that devised a system that could be played by 3 humans and 8 pieces of paper. The most egregious of your mistakes is that only the werewolf, the barkeep, and Van Helsing need ever DO anything.
What the fuck did you expect was going to happen? Coq and I both told you the system was bad. We aren't the fucking moderators, we're the players. Don't bitch because you couldn't railroad us to do what you wanted. And why would I waste my fucking time beforehand, even though I blew it up twice, you still believe the system is playable. Let's waste everyone's time proving what Coq and I already know is true. That's the only way to get anything through your thick skull.
Once again, it's a dominant strategy. Everyone had the same information available that I did, I just figured it out first and used it. Blaming me for winning is like blaming Peyton Manning for the Colts winning the Super Bowl, and saying he should've either stopped throwing the ball to Reggie Wayne, or lobbied to ban the forward pass all together. Fuck that. Don't moderate it if you can't deal with players being players. I bitched about both of coq's games, but he took it constructively.
Last edited by coqauvin; 10-01-2010 at 09:11 PM.
Way to fix my use of the bold tags, coq
Atmosfear should mod a game
/lynch welladjusted
Only in your games. Also repped.
I want to mod a game soon but I don't have the time this week. It's going to be a themed vanilla game.
Okay I made a thread. Go sign-up. Simon I cannot guarantee that you won't be mafia.
*GRRRRR*
So I take it that this--pardon me, *AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO*--*ahem*--game has essentially been ended?
Ouch, I think I just bit my tongue... and the tooth came out the other side, in case you're wondering why the foaming around my mouth starts taking on a pinkish tinge.
Anyone have a snausage? They're delicious... what, you don't "partake"? Well mind scratching my belly a bit at least?
EDIT: I tried a bit of coqauvin, but he was all gamey and greasy... I probably should have cut off a piece to sample rather than biting it right off him, since no one will want to him now that he's covered in my saliva
ya wtf man
jesus
play on
/lynch sycld
high five atmosfear cunning plan well executed
lynch sycld
Guys we made MrShrike quit the internet
Well I knew you were always a bit premature, but not in so many ways.
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