Thread: What's your favorite flavor of ammo?

Originally Posted by bacon ops

So basically you said this:
You can't say that, but you're correct.

Hah, no. I said that what you said is true of many .45 ACP hollowpoints but not all. So it's inaccurate to say that ".45 needs such-and-such velocity to reliably expand". Again: No given caliber always needs a given velocity for hollowpoints of that caliber to reliably expand. It depends 100% on bullet design.

Originally Posted by bacon ops

LOL, I think a 400 grain bullet going well over 2,000 FPS is a different thing than a 230 doing 900, IMO.

It's still going to disintegrate on impact. It's a frangible bullet. They do make GSS rounds in rifle calibers, you know; they make them in .308 and .223. The rifle-caliber GSS bullets have the same problem that the pistol-caliber ones have. They don't penetrate well, because they turn into a spray of smallshot on impact. Cranking up velocity (and/or bullet weight) isn't going to change that; the penetrating power of a heavy rifle round is largely lost when that big heavy fast-moving round explodes as soon as it hits the target. I'm sure a .45-70 GSS round would do more damage than a .45 ACP one, but it's still probably not going to give the kind of penetration you need for reliable self-defense use.

There's a reason GSS rounds aren't widely used.

EDIT: Just for the record, here is why GSS rounds suck:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/imag...m%20Glaser.jpg

12 centimeters of penetration in gelatin with a .357 Magnum? That's shitty performance. You need a minimum of 30 cm penetration for a good self-defense round. GSS bullets just make big, ugly, bloody, shallow flesh wounds. When I'm paying twenty times more than I'd pay for a good hollowpoint, I'd want a bit more performance than that.

One of the big problems with frangible and other specialty defense ammo is the cost Glaser ammo is about $20 for six rounds. We all know that it is very important to function test any carry ammo through your firearm. Who will or can afford to run 50 or 100 rounds of this stuff through a firearm to be sure it functions without a hitch? Then there is the practice, general rule of thumb is to practice with what you plan to use. The high cost of these specialty rounds prevents most folks from shooting 100+ rounds every month or two. You are much better off to use a high quality HP from an established manufacture.