Thread: What's your favorite flavor of ammo?

Originally Posted by bacon ops

So basically you said this:
You can't say that, but you're correct.

Hah, no. I said that what you said is true of many .45 ACP hollowpoints but not all. So it's inaccurate to say that ".45 needs such-and-such velocity to reliably expand". Again: No given caliber always needs a given velocity for hollowpoints of that caliber to reliably expand. It depends 100% on bullet design.

Originally Posted by bacon ops

LOL, I think a 400 grain bullet going well over 2,000 FPS is a different thing than a 230 doing 900, IMO.

It's still going to disintegrate on impact. It's a frangible bullet. They do make GSS rounds in rifle calibers, you know; they make them in .308 and .223. The rifle-caliber GSS bullets have the same problem that the pistol-caliber ones have. They don't penetrate well, because they turn into a spray of smallshot on impact. Cranking up velocity (and/or bullet weight) isn't going to change that; the penetrating power of a heavy rifle round is largely lost when that big heavy fast-moving round explodes as soon as it hits the target. I'm sure a .45-70 GSS round would do more damage than a .45 ACP one, but it's still probably not going to give the kind of penetration you need for reliable self-defense use.

There's a reason GSS rounds aren't widely used.

EDIT: Just for the record, here is why GSS rounds suck:
http://www.firearmstactical.com/imag...m%20Glaser.jpg

12 centimeters of penetration in gelatin with a .357 Magnum? That's shitty performance. You need a minimum of 30 cm penetration for a good self-defense round. GSS bullets just make big, ugly, bloody, shallow flesh wounds. When I'm paying twenty times more than I'd pay for a good hollowpoint, I'd want a bit more performance than that.