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    Well gwahir here is the thing:

    We are allowed to discriminate against "nurture" issues but we are not allowed to discriminate against "nature" issues.
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    (Disabilities are the pseudo-exception because they are typically genetic or accidental.)
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    really? i mean, is that the relevant difference? i mean, mental and psychological disorders can emerge from the physiology, but they can also be caused externally.

    also, there are some "nature" issues we DO persecute (eg pedophilia... if it is a "nature" issue which i guess it would be)

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    obviously i know pedophilia is persecuted because it involves the suffering of minors -- i'm saying the rule that we punish "nature" issues and not "nurture" issues is a false dichotomy

    you don't have any more choice with "nature" issues than you do "nurture" issues or vice versa

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    for instance: am i biologically predetermined to wretch at the taste of peanuts and mushrooms? or hate horror movies? or be an atheist? or like slim brunette girls more than any other variety? i can't choose any of those things, and they're certainly not all biological.

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    Well, gwahir, you've really done it now... likening homosexual preferences to taste in movies.
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    yes, to make the point that everything is not either biological or a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gwahir View Post
    i think he's making the point that discrimination is a natural process of society and choosing or not to be in a discriminated-against group (eg gay, black, poor) isn't a philosophically relevant factor in the rightness or wrongness of discrimination

    so you don't choose to be poor, but it's still acceptable to discriminate based on wealth (it is how capitalism works after all)

    likewise you don't choose to be gay but for some reason it's still not comparable to discrimination against blacks

    it's hard to tell if i'm on the money or not
    That's just racist, and you should be ashaned

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    you are so confusing and nonsensical

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    I think davidsdivad is just ashamed he told everyone that it's not morally superior to explain positions via analogy
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I think gwahir is laughably easy to troll because he lets his convictions get in the way of logic, and then he oversteps his footing and stumbles over foolish comparisons. Gwahir basically exists in a world lacking in the meaningful shades of grey, the ones created when a series of binary realities that he does not understand overlap and contradict his moral convictions. Obviously, logically, I should afford him the benefit of the doubt, but when all I'm doing is trolling him, it leads to these fantastic soundbytes that I he won't have to live down.

    Also, DAVIDSDIVAD is a less talented troll.
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    Protip, gwahir: All of your counterexamples are legally protected discrimination in just about every country that embraces free speech. If I want to screen my customers for their love of horror movies, and only serve the ones whose opinion agree with mine, I have every right to do so. Which is why Cafe Atmosfear does not serve M Night Shyamalan fans.

    You were much better off comparing it to a disability, but I've gotten my fill of this, so don't bother.
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    you entirely missed what i explicitly and repeatedly specified was my point

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    i was making an observation about a logical leap you made. i didn't disagree with the conclusion, but the logic to get there was bad.

    which you probably DO know (i hope; otherwise you actually can't read) but now you turn to the "trolling" angle because you've spent too many posts making rubbish rebuttals and now don't want to lose face by going "oh whoops i was wrong"

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    oh jesus gwahir you really don't learn
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    i am a man of conviction

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    Quote Originally Posted by simonj View Post
    oh jesus gwahir you really don't learn
    This is the inherent problem with catch and release.
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    that's why, with gwahir, you should really just catch
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    yeah obviously we'd all suck our alternate universe dicks there was never any question about that
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    I don't know if Obama did anything to make that happen, but I do know that he didn't do anything to stop me from blaming him.

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    I always envision gwahir as more of the catcher...

    nevermind, too easy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    Someone just save me some time. Can I discriminate against fat people or not?
    Airlines and other services already do this. You can't ride most amusement park rides if you're too heavy and/or too big for the seat. You have to pay extra for more seat spacing or an extra seat on an airplane or a bus.
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