Thread: 'House of Horrors' abortion clinic uncovered

Originally Posted by KT.

so is a retard not a person either?

This is a good question given gwahir's views on this subject. If babies aren't people because they are just 'humans with brain function' and there's nothing wrong with killing them even though they are sentient and feeling to some degree, then why stop there? Why wouldn't it be ok to kill a retarded person because they are just humans with brain function which may be less sentient and feeling than some animals?

Abortion is all well and good, but there is a line for a reason. Expanding the allowable abortion term due to things like 'Well, I mean, they can't write a book or speak, so they obviously aren't people' is a slippery slope. And the difference between a baby and a crab is that a crab will always be a crab, but a baby will become what you call a 'person' if given the opportunity to do so. An embryo can't do that, an early term fetus can't do that, but a late term fetus or a baby can. I mean, at that point if you really don't want it you should just have it anyway and give it up for adoption to help someone else who may not be able to have one.

I also find fault in the assertions gwahir made about the factors other than the mother's health, such as the woman's independence, dependent status, relationships, etc. All of those are very good reasons to have an abortion, but it does not take six months to figure that shit out. If women want an abortion they should get it as soon as they can. If it takes you eight months to be like 'Well, I don't think I want a baby after all' I don't think that a perfectly viable human (and potential future 'person') should have to die because your dumb ass took eight months to make a decision that is generally not all that hard to make. When a woman finds out she's pregnant she generally knows pretty quickly whether she wants to have a baby inside of her or not. It certainly should not take six months to decide.

All that being said, I feel like gwahir's compromise is reasonable enough, and that women could have the fetus removed at any point but if it can be kept alive it must be kept alive.

Originally Posted by Mr. E

All that being said, I feel like gwahir's compromise is reasonable enough, and that women could have the fetus removed at any point but if it can be kept alive it must be kept alive.

one major problem with this.
who pays to keep it alive?