Pro-spankers, you can quit pointing out how spanking never screwed you up. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is arguing that spanking will mess up a kid. The reason it's not allowed where it's not allowed is not because lovey-dovey-Oprah-types are judging you; the reason is that it's too easy to go from harmless spanking to physical abuse, and there's nowhere we can see to draw the line.

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Also, morality is almost completely subjective.
Stop bloody well saying this as if it's a given. Moral relativism is its name, and it's garbage. Almost no contemporary ethical philosophers still subscribe to it.

Also, I don't write off the conversation because I don't believe in rights. Even if I did, I wouldn't believe in the right of someone to control the fate of another person the way parent right advocates do. I don't believe that a neighbour should get to decide what happens to me, and I don't believe my parents should either. I don't support the right for orthodox religious parents to raise orthodox religious children, for instance.

Basically, I believe that parents (for lack of a better substitute) should be able to raise their child in any way that does not abuse them, but that rules out many things that parent right advocates hold dear, like education.