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    Most of you seem to have some impressively good ideas. Surprize surprize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Nuclear power is the best and most efficient power and developments have been made in the past 30 years where Uranium can be reprocessed and used again several times, making nuclear waste practically nada. Cheaper than what we have, more efficient than what we have, quit being an ignorant pussyfoot and learn your stuff before you say dumb things Icarus.
    I'll accept your argument if you expand on what improvements they've made, and also tell me how they cool the water around the reactors. I was told once it was done by coal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    I'll accept your argument if you expand on what improvements they've made, and also tell me how they cool the water around the reactors. I was told once it was done by coal.
    I thought it was graphite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    You're right. We really should be burying nuclear waste in mountains. Maybe we could put it in Colorado too. We could just dig holes and drain it down some number of miles and pretend it doesn't exist too. The effects of radiation from nuclear waste don't go away in our lifespan.
    Once again, you're just displaying ignorance. The Yucca Mountain facility is 1. secure to the point that unless its the end of the world anyways, it's utterly safe and 2. necessary only because or moronic, antiquated laws banning Uranium recycling that would allow nuclear facilities to recycle almost all of their waste to the point it has a negligible impact on the environment (less so than, say, clean coal.) Yucca Mountain is a solution to idiotic policies of the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    Well then let them be allowed the same rights as married couples. Though to make it fair, we really should remove 'married' as a listed status then and change it to 'civil union'.
    How does that make it "fair"? It's just a slap in the face to straight couples and the religious right. And once again, how is that fair to same-sex (or even opposite-sex) roommates who aren't having sex? Is the act of sodomy all it takes for the state to bless the relationship? That's inane.

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    Canada does it. Britain does it. Norway does it. Finland does it. France does it. Australia does it. It's working for them.
    Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Most Socialist. All of your examples are countries whose governments were built on the basis of egalitarian redistribution of wealth following monarchical control. Find that concept in the Federalist Papers, I defy you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    I'll give you this one. I'm not up to date on tax credits and that such. The point of what I was saying was that there needs to be some benefit to companies that are trying to change for the better. And I do enjoy the free market, except for when it becomes corrupted and we end up in the financial crisis we have now.
    There is never a benefit to business if the government is requiring these controls. If there was a net benefit for pollution control in the free market, firms would be voluntarily putting them into place because they would make more money from it (probably due to social consciousness increasing demand for products of companies that enact these controls.)

    Furthermore, stricter pollution controls increase the incentive for firms to move their operations from our country to those that have fewer controls. Just like minimum wage, stricter financial filing requirements, and other government-imposed costs.

    I don't think you grasp the complexity of a national economy in any way shape or form.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    I've often thought about this. How can we move forward when the middle class is struggling? Because I think the reason that the middle class is unwilling to support a lot of this is the cost of it all. But at the same time, the people want a cleaner world. And our government is supposed to do what we want, isn't it?
    The government is supposed to secure our right to life and liberty. A government that acts wantonly in the application of the will of 51% is likely to turn tyrant against 49%.

    *cough*socialism*cough*

    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    LBJ escalated a war that was useless. And the president that followed was even worse. And Nixon, that president, was the one who got us started on the healthcare system we currently have. Ever listened to the tapes of him?
    Did you hear that? That was the sound of the comment going entirely over your head. The point wasn't about foreign policy, it was about LBJ's social philosophy of casually passing legislation and expanding the government to fix any problem that anyone might face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    I'll accept your argument if you expand on what improvements they've made, and also tell me how they cool the water around the reactors. I was told once it was done by coal.
    They've figured out how to reprocess uranium to make it reusable hundreds of times before having to be disposed of, and the technology the plants used has improved to the point that one use of the uranium goes rather far, on top of the fact that it is reusable. I don't know the science behind it, I just know someone who is responsible for dealing with nuclear waste and he explained it to me. As far as dealing with the heat pollution, I'm not quite sure about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus View Post
    I'll accept your argument if you expand on what improvements they've made, and also tell me how they cool the water around the reactors. I was told once it was done by coal.
    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-co...s/cfr/part020/

    There's the government regulation on cooling. None of the cooling emissions of nuclear plants have any radiation. The major concern is thermal emissions.

    Update: here is the non-science version http://men.style.com/gq/features/lan...d=content_6424

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    Socialism is awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulyt View Post
    Socialism is awesome.
    for lazy people

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    Also the USA is the only industralised wealthy nation that does not provide Universal health care.

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    Universal health care makes humanity weak and makes people live longer than they should. Fuck it

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    Universal health care will eat your family and rape your cat.

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    I know, that's one of the reasons I'm against it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    Once again, you're just displaying ignorance. The Yucca Mountain facility is 1. secure to the point that unless its the end of the world anyways, it's utterly safe and 2. necessary only because or moronic, antiquated laws banning Uranium recycling that would allow nuclear facilities to recycle almost all of their waste to the point it has a negligible impact on the environment (less so than, say, clean coal.) Yucca Mountain is a solution to idiotic policies of the past.


    How does that make it "fair"? It's just a slap in the face to straight couples and the religious right. And once again, how is that fair to same-sex (or even opposite-sex) roommates who aren't having sex? Is the act of sodomy all it takes for the state to bless the relationship? That's inane.


    Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Socialist. Most Socialist. All of your examples are countries whose governments were built on the basis of egalitarian redistribution of wealth following monarchical control. Find that concept in the Federalist Papers, I defy you.


    There is never a benefit to business if the government is requiring these controls. If there was a net benefit for pollution control in the free market, firms would be voluntarily putting them into place because they would make more money from it (probably due to social consciousness increasing demand for products of companies that enact these controls.)

    Furthermore, stricter pollution controls increase the incentive for firms to move their operations from our country to those that have fewer controls. Just like minimum wage, stricter financial filing requirements, and other government-imposed costs.

    I don't think you grasp the complexity of a national economy in any way shape or form.


    The government is supposed to secure our right to life and liberty. A government that acts wantonly in the application of the will of 51% is likely to turn tyrant against 49%.

    *cough*socialism*cough*


    Did you hear that? That was the sound of the comment going entirely over your head. The point wasn't about foreign policy, it was about LBJ's social philosophy of casually passing legislation and expanding the government to fix any problem that anyone might face.
    To lazy to answer these all directly. So fuck you (that's just simpler).

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    They've figured out how to reprocess uranium to make it reusable hundreds of times before having to be disposed of, and the technology the plants used has improved to the point that one use of the uranium goes rather far, on top of the fact that it is reusable. I don't know the science behind it, I just know someone who is responsible for dealing with nuclear waste and he explained it to me. As far as dealing with the heat pollution, I'm not quite sure about that.
    Someone who works for a facility. That sounds like something I could trust (seriously), because they would have a real perspective on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Atmosfear View Post
    http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm/doc-co...s/cfr/part020/

    There's the government regulation on cooling. None of the cooling emissions of nuclear plants have any radiation. The major concern is thermal emissions.

    Update: here is the non-science version http://men.style.com/gq/features/lan...d=content_6424
    Oh look something useful.
    Quote Originally Posted by paulyt View Post
    Also the USA is the only industralised wealthy nation that does not provide Universal health care.
    Because the USA doesn't care about those who are sick, poor, suffer from mental illness, or have pre-existing conditions (or so it would seem).

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    Universal health care will blow up the Golden Gate Bridge.

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    More like someone who runs the facility, ok?

    Also, seriously, fuck the poor. Poor people are poor because nature didn't give them what they needed to not be poor. Sick people are sick because nature made them that way. People have pre-existing conditions because nature made them that way. If you're too poor to get the help that you need to fight nature, then you don't deserve to be able to fight it.

    The mentally ill are the only exception to this imo, because, while nature is responsible for that too, we can't just kill them and they aren't able to help themselves.

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    Casey you have a very weird outlook. If "nature" made them that way how is their fault? If "nature" made them that way shouldn't you superior human beings who nature have made perfect help them out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulyt View Post
    Casey you have a very weird outlook. If "nature" made them that way how is their fault? If "nature" made them that way shouldn't you superior human beings who nature have made perfect help them out?
    I didn't say it was their fault, but it is their problem to deal with, since they have the mental facilities to do so. As far as superior beings, why should they help out the inferior ones? The cost-benefit analysis of helping someone who is not capable of supporting themselves, be it due to circumstances or lack of industriousness, is ludicrously one-sided. Survival of the Fittest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulyt View Post
    Casey you have a very weird outlook. If "nature" made them that way how is their fault? If "nature" made them that way shouldn't you superior human beings who nature have made perfect help them out?
    qft


    I love how the extreme capitalists hate on socialism because they are scared that they might lose nice things if everything is equal. Gogo materialism.


    Some things are completely out of peoples control, such as those who grow our coffee and are essentially forced into economic slavery to support out habits.


    Capitalism is not sustainable under the current circumstances and we will eventually kill ourselves or piss off everyone else enough to kill us first
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kozzle View Post
    I love how the extreme capitalists hate on socialism because they are scared that they might lose nice things if everything is equal. Gogo materialism.
    I'm not a capitalist when it comes to domestic policy, I'm a naturalist. Survival of the fittest. It is the model nature means for us to live. Socialism would kill us all much more absolutely than capitalism. Any windfall from capitalism (your assumptions are terrible, btw) can be undone or dealt with. If an incurable superbug comes into existence because people who were supposed to die lived and bred making their progeny even weaker then it is game over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    More like someone who runs the facility, ok?
    Eh. You didn't say that before. I already agreed with the credibility, yeesh.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Also, seriously, fuck the poor. Poor people are poor because nature didn't give them what they needed to not be poor. Sick people are sick because nature made them that way. People have pre-existing conditions because nature made them that way. If you're too poor to get the help that you need to fight nature, then you don't deserve to be able to fight it.
    Your logic is flawless. /heavy sarcasm
    If by nature you mean the society in which they are born, then you would be correct. But genetics has nothing to do with poverty. It's actually based on a perpetuation of socioeconomic status since those who are poor regress during summer months because they don't have proper stimulation (like a library they can visit or a museum to go to) while those who are wealthy continue to grow. And thus, it is all perpetuated.

    Also, I hope you have a genetic disorder and can't afford to fix it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    The mentally ill are the only exception to this imo, because, while nature is responsible for that too, we can't just kill them and they aren't able to help themselves.
    We don't take care of them though. If you look into deinstiutionalization (which JFK signed in 1963 before his assassination) we were supposed to let them out into a supportive community, with community clinics, supportive family and housing. The pilot studies of this showed that it had a great effect. But the pilot studies involved people who were cared for by psychiatric nurses, visited by counselors, had jobs, and were provided meals a couple times a week.

    When the deinstitutionalization actually took place, the mentally ill had no family to fall back on, and if they did get housing, they would go through medication cycles until eventually they were kicked out of their housing. What we got? the homeless mentally ill

    Read through this to be less ignorant: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...67/ai_76398484

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icarus
    If by nature you mean the society in which they are born, then you would be correct. But genetics has nothing to do with poverty. It's actually based on a perpetuation of socioeconomic status since those who are poor regress during summer months because they don't have proper stimulation (like a library they can visit or a museum to go to) while those who are wealthy continue to grow. And thus, it is all perpetuated.
    *yawn*

    Let me tell my story to someone for the 11 millionth time.

    I was born poor. I was born in a single-parent household. I had little to no parental support. However, I was determined to become more than what society had told me I would be. I have been blessed by nature with excellent faculties, and I took advantage of them to become one of the smartest people I have ever known, and nobody helped me get to where I am.

    You can blame society all you want, but at the root of everything is initiative. If you lack the initiative to strive to not be poor, then you deserve to be poor. If you have the initiative but don't have the faculties then you deserve to be poor.

    And by the way, I'm in the process of becoming an actuary, and my genetics are clean (had a check done a few years ago for markers). I'm here for the long haul buddy.

    Also, don't lecture me on American history. I am well aware of how mental healthcare in America fell apart, and I am supportive of reform in that area. If America wanted to socialize mental health care I'd be the first person to speak up for it, but that's where it should stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    *yawn*

    Let me tell my story to someone for the 11 millionth time.

    I was born poor. I was born in a single-parent household. I had little to no parental support. However, I was determined to become more than what society had told me I would be. I have been blessed by nature with excellent faculties, and I took advantage of them to become one of the smartest people I have ever known, and nobody helped me get to where I am.

    You can blame society all you want, but at the root of everything is initiative. If you lack the initiative to strive to not be poor, then you deserve to be poor. If you have the initiative but don't have the faculties then you deserve to be poor.
    What a wonderful American story. You are amazing. I am amazed. How did all of your friends from your school make out? Were you an exception? Are you special?

    Also, are you familiar with the psychological process that we all fall prey to, where we attribute good things to our own doing and bad things to things outside of us? Maybe it wasn't all you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    And by the way, I'm in the process of becoming an actuary, and my genetics are clean (had a check done a few years ago for markers). I'm here for the long haul buddy.
    That's unfortunate for all the people not as "perfect" as you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Also, don't lecture me on American history. I am well aware of how mental healthcare in America fell apart, and I am supportive of reform in that area. If America wanted to socialize mental health care I'd be the first person to speak up for it, but that's where it should stop.
    I digress.

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    1. Ban niggers from being president.
    2. Ban women from being president.
    3. Legalize any and all weapons so that any average joe that wants them could buy them.
    4. Legalize pot.
    5. Kick out all the fucking illegal foreigners.(or declare open season on them)
    6. Tell the rest of the world to go FUCK themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    1. Ban niggers from being president.
    2. Ban women from being president.
    3. Legalize any and all weapons so that any average joe that wants them could buy them.
    4. Legalize pot.
    5. Kick out all the fucking illegal foreigners.(or declare open season on them)
    6. Tell the rest of the world to go FUCK themselves.
    Intense.

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    Who are you quoting? I never said I was perfect.

    Most of my actual (not just acquaintances) friends (I have like, maybe 12, and only 4 or 5 from high school) aren't doing super well. From having unwanted children to being squatters to being straight up doing nothing and living with and off of their parents, they are definitely not doing super well. I try and give them moral support and advice, but some people don't learn. Some of them have gotten stuck in their situations due to circumstances beyond their control, but they've gotta do what they've gotta do.

    There may have been some contributors to my success I don't know about, but I don't know who. My friends were moral support on occasion, but they certainly didn't help me learn or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    Who are you quoting? I never said I was perfect.

    Most of my actual (not just acquaintances) friends (I have like, maybe 12, and only 4 or 5 from high school) aren't doing super well. From having unwanted children to being squatters to being straight up doing nothing and living with and off of their parents, they are definitely not doing super well. I try and give them moral support and advice, but some people don't learn. Some of them have gotten stuck in their situations due to circumstances beyond their control, but they've gotta do what they've gotta do.

    There may have been some contributors to my success I don't know about, but I don't know who. My friends were moral support on occasion, but they certainly didn't help me learn or anything.
    So if your friends didn't follow your rise, then do you think that maybe other things similar to what happened to your friends would hold back other people? Maybe even, circumstances beyond their control?

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    I sure do. That still doesn't mean I think they should be given something they didn't earn.

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    grab my dick
    legalize weed
    resign
    smoke weed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    I am well aware of how mental healthcare in America fell apart
    I'm not going to go on a mini-rant about this, but Mr. E you know where I would go with it if I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by jojo View Post
    1. Ban niggers from being president.
    2. Ban women from being president.
    3. Legalize any and all weapons so that any average joe that wants them could buy them.
    4. Legalize pot.
    5. Kick out all the fucking illegal foreigners.(or declare open season on them)
    6. Tell the rest of the world to go FUCK themselves.
    Other than #4, I'm stealing the rest of these ideas for my own personal platform.

    I'll be pressing for mandatory five year prison sentences for marijuana possession.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djwolford View Post
    I'm not going to go on a mini-rant about this, but Mr. E you know where I would go with it if I did.



    Other than #4, I'm stealing the rest of these ideas for my own personal platform.

    I'll be pressing for mandatory five year prison sentences for marijuana possession.



    youre a faggot

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    I only agree with 2,4, and part of 5 with jojo

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPrinceOfCrime View Post
    youre a faggot
    Yeah well, when I become dictator of these great United States I'll be a faggot that will have you imprisoned for being a pothead.

    Whatcha think about that? Huh? Huh?

    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djwolford View Post
    Yeah well, when I become dictator of these great United States I'll be a faggot that will have you imprisoned for being a pothead.

    Whatcha think about that? Huh? Huh?

    Exactly.


    you afraid of pot heads?

    huh? are you?

    dont be a pussy

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    I would imprison potheads because pot is for faggots

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    Having universal or "socialised" health care doesn't mean your whole precious capitalist system has to be destroyed. A country is supposed to take care of it's citizens. You could use the Australian and tax people who earn over a certain amount (say $100,000 a year or whatever a little bit (I think it's 2.5% here) if they don't have private health care. Those who can afford and want private health care have it and those who can't afford it still get treatment and medication.

    tl;dr: You can still keep all the other aspects of capitalism even if you have Universal health care.

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    Atmofear's points are valid and excellent
    No brains no worries is clearly a pinko
    WTF is a pinko? And how can you, someone who's come from a poor upbringing, agree with only private schools? Where does that leave those below the poverty line? Perhaps people wouldn't be so down on public schooling if it got the funding it deserved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. E View Post
    *yawn*

    Let me tell my story to someone for the 11 millionth time.

    I was born poor. I was born in a single-parent household. I had little to no parental support. However, I was determined to become more than what society had told me I would be. I have been blessed by nature with excellent faculties, and I took advantage of them to become one of the smartest people I have ever known, and nobody helped me get to where I am.

    You can blame society all you want, but at the root of everything is initiative. If you lack the initiative to strive to not be poor, then you deserve to be poor. If you have the initiative but don't have the faculties then you deserve to be poor.

    And by the way, I'm in the process of becoming an actuary, and my genetics are clean (had a check done a few years ago for markers). I'm here for the long haul buddy.

    Also, don't lecture me on American history. I am well aware of how mental healthcare in America fell apart, and I am supportive of reform in that area. If America wanted to socialize mental health care I'd be the first person to speak up for it, but that's where it should stop.
    Whoa, I just had an Atlas Shrugged flashback....and fucking hated it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by no_brains_no_worries View Post
    WTF is a pinko? And how can you, someone who's come from a poor upbringing, agree with only private schools? Where does that leave those below the poverty line? Perhaps people wouldn't be so down on public schooling if it got the funding it deserved.
    A "Pinko" is a a person sympathetic to Communism.

    The term has its origins in the notion that pink is a lighter shade of red, the color associated with communism; thus pink could be thought of as a "lighter form of communism" promoted by mere supporters of socialism who weren't, themselves, "card-carrying" communists.
    It's mainly used by conservatives when they can't think of a proper comeback

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClownPrinceOfCrime View Post
    you afraid of pot heads?

    huh? are you?

    dont be a pussy
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    I would imprison potheads because pot is for faggots
    What he said. Also, no, I'm not afraid of potheads. They do annoy the dickens out of me though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulyt View Post
    A "Pinko" is a a person sympathetic to Communism.



    It's mainly used by conservatives when they can't think of a proper comeback
    Oh. Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't get it because I thought we'd officially buried the Red Scare. Silly me.
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