Suspect puts drugs in his mouth; cop breaks his neck

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by djwolford

I'm sick of faggots on the internet who take up for the guy who died because of his own stupidity. He didn't die because he had a small amount of meth on him he died because he didn't cooperate with a police officer and struggled with him instead of doing the thing that any reasonable person does and stay calm so the cop can do his job. Have you ever tried to wrestle with a methhead? It's damn near impossible, putting handcuffs on him during that has to be ten times as difficult. Nobody is saying that he deserved to die because he did meth, fuck I do meth and I don't think that I deserve to die for it. What's being said here is that the guy made a dumb move and ended up losing his life for it. If I climb a power pole and get electrocuted, don't blame the power company because the wire was hot.

Again it's not like the cop blatantly judo-snapped the guys neck, it was an accident. Jesus fucking Christ dude.

What about the other cops that were fucking standing there? If he had that much trouble why couldn't he just ask either of them to help. Tweakers do not have superhuman strength ok, 3 fucking police officers should be able to subdue one pretty easily. Yea he didn't just snap his neck but he did choke him out for 7 minutes until his neck snapped. He took 7 minutes of choking to get handcuffs on him? If it was that hard he should have fucking asked his buddies to help, not just sat there and continued to choke him (and if you watch that full video he wasn't exactly trying to cuff him most of the time he was just choking him telling the guy to spit it out). The cop was trying to be a hardass and make the guy spit it out, he had an idea of what he had and he wanted to get it done right there. Too bad he went over the line and choked him to death. The ONLY thing the police officer wanted the guy to do was spit it out, his life was not in danger and he fucking knew it. Listen to him in the video jesus christ. That's why they have ipecac and why we have assholes. They had 2 options for getting those drugs out, wait for them to come out of his ass or give the guy some ipecac. Either way would have ended in the guy not dying.

**MalReynolds** · 07-15-2009, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by piranhas

In another article about the subject, it stated that the cop was trying to cuff him and got as far as getting one hand cuffed.

Don't trust everything you read, man. You'll get brainwashed.

**MalReynolds** · 07-15-2009, 03:04 PM

I got negged for the above comment, even though I meant it in seriousness.

But like I said earlier, people - police/Killuminati included - are fucking tards.

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

I got negged for the above comment, even though I meant it in seriousness.

But like I said earlier, people - police/Killuminati included - are fucking tards.

my bad then I thought you were being sarcastic.

**MalReynolds** · 07-15-2009, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

my bad then I thought you were being sarcastic.

No harm/foul. I'm being majorly dickish in this thread anyway.

**faesce** · 07-15-2009, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by djwolford

What's being said here is that the guy made a dumb move and ended up losing his life for it. If I climb a power pole and get electrocuted, don't blame the power company because the wire was hot.

so you're saying this guy metaphorically climbed a telephone pole and shocked himself by concealing a bag of drugs from an officer?

Originally Posted by djwolford

Again it's not like the cop blatantly judo-snapped the guys neck, it was an accident. Jesus fucking Christ dude.

dunno where you live but in the united states people who cause accidents that take another person's life by using bad/malicious judgment are prosecuted as though the accident was premeditated. there's a LOT of lee-way in what a cop can do if he thought his life was in danger, and it all holds up in court, but the problem lies in that this officers life was not in danger and he had absolutely zero justification in doing what he did.

are you familiar with how bounty hunters that work for bail bondsman operate? if one of those guys (a regular joe in the government's eyes) choked a guy to death in a struggle by accident that was due to bad judgment, the ONLY reason they wouldn't get prosecuted is because they have a statement signed by you saying that if you flee, they're allowed to use lethal force to restrain you and return you to police custody.

officers don't have a statement signed by you forfeiting your rights, and this particular cop's life was most certainly NOT in danger, so why do you feel as though this is just some accident we should sweep under the carpet? and for that matter, doesn't it bother you that we don't prosecute people who commit crimes (in the law's eye) because they're police officers?

**no_brains_no_worries** · 07-15-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

This guy had a personal amount of meth on him how the fuck are you comparing that to stabbing a guy or masturbating on a school playground? Are you that fucking brainwashed? It is a little bit of drugs, you have no idea who this guy is and from the video he is not aggressive towards the cop, the only thing he does is freak out about the little bit of meth he had in his hand. You realize he would have gone immediately to jail for that and gotten fucked? So he was like shit what do I do, oh I know I'll swallow it he'll never get it then. So he tried to and he fucking died for it. He was addicted to one of the most addicting substances known to man and no one knows his circumstances for starting it or using it. He clearly wasn't some completely fucked up methhead, he seemed like a relatively normal person(for Louisiana) who had a drug problem. Why is this guy as bad as a pedophile or a rapist because he was addicted to meth? Most of you faggots need to crawl back into that hole you were in and stay there.

Let's run through the situation again. The guy won't open his hand for the cop. That's a big mistake right there and the cop deserves to be able to do whatever he thinks is necessary to make sure that his life and the lives of the public aren't going to be endangered by this guy. So a struggle ensues and the guy pops the mystery into his mouth and tries to swallow it. Now by this point they had suspected he was on drugs and they just watched him put something very small into his mouth and try to swallow it. Common sense tells you its most likely drugs but who knows maybe its a fucking razor he is gonna spit at you it could even poke an eye out. So the cop starts to choke him out in an effort to get him to spit it out. Now at any point in this like 6.5 minute long choke out the cop could have stopped what he was doing and handcuffed the guy, or if he was really worried still he could have called over a cop who was standing right there and asked for some help to restrain and cuff the guy. Even if the guy swallowed it, they can look through his shit and find the drugs, or make him puke them up. So did the cop think there was a time where he should stop this violent abuse of his power? Yea after he fucking broke his neck and killed him. The cop was in zero danger once the guy was getting choked and could have very easily subdued him in a manner that wouldn't have killed or even hurt the guy.

I'm sick of faggots on the internet acting all hardass, especially towards someone they would theoretically look down upon because of some flaw they have(in this case meth addiction). Guess what faggots, people make mistakes and they don't always deserve to die for them.

Yeah I didn't read all that but I'm assuming it's along the lines of "You don't know him! You don't know nothing what's going on!"

I'm just saying that you shouldn't let addiction of any kind be an excuse. This guy did something fuckin' stupid and sadly enough, it got out of control and now he is no longer around. How can you honestly say that this wasn't his fault and that he should have just been left alone?

**faesce** · 07-15-2009, 05:29 PM

reading comprehension 2/5 friend

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by no_brains_no_worries

Yeah I didn't read all that but I'm assuming it's along the lines of "You don't know him! You don't know nothing what's going on!"

I'm just saying that you shouldn't let addiction of any kind be an excuse. This guy did something fuckin' stupid and sadly enough, it got out of control and now he is no longer around. How can you honestly say that this wasn't his fault and that he should have just been left alone?

That kind of response is exactly what I would expect from someone defending this cops actions.

**djwolford** · 07-15-2009, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Killuminati

That kind of response is exactly what I would expect from someone defending this cops actions.

You mean in that it was actually a logical response?

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by djwolford

You mean in that it was actually a logical response?

In that he couldn't even take the time to read it and made instead made incorrect assumptions. And please tell me what part of my response isn't logical.

**djwolford** · 07-15-2009, 06:37 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's not logical. I think what's going on here is that you're looking at it more from the suspect's point of view and I'm looking at it more from the officer's point of view.

I decided to give up on this because I don't think that either of us are going to change the other one's mind, and I'm pretty sure that we're both repeating the same argument over and over.

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by djwolford

I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's not logical. I think what's going on here is that you're looking at it more from the suspect's point of view and I'm looking at it more from the officer's point of view.

I decided to give up on this because I don't think that either of us are going to change the other one's mind, and I'm pretty sure that we're both repeating the same argument over and over.

I tried to look at it from both sides as much as I could but maybe I was still being biased towards the cop. I know the suspect was thoroughly wrong and deserved to have the cop choke him in an effort to get whatever he had in his mouth out. He didn't listen to a cop's directions and that was wrong of him. This cop wouldn't give up on making him spit it out even after it was very obviously nothing that could harm him or anyone around yet continued to choke him out and didn't request any help. Had he snapped the guys neck and killed him quickly and before having complete control over him then I would have had no problem and said it was an accident.

But yea I feel like we are just repeating ourselves.

**djwolford** · 07-15-2009, 07:37 PM

Yeah I can see both sides of it, I just generally take the side of the cop and I feel like the whole fiasco is the guys fault in the first place. To be quite honest it doesn't matter enough to me to argue about it anymore.

Let's just call it a draw.

**Killuminati** · 07-15-2009, 09:27 PM

You can call it whatever you want babe.

**djwolford** · 07-15-2009, 09:37 PM

So how 'bout that make up sex?
(no homo)

**solecistic** · 07-16-2009, 12:48 AM

well this thread got boring

go back to being dicks and repeating the same arguments it was way more fun to read

**MalReynolds** · 07-16-2009, 07:30 AM

So, wait - a guy addicted to Meth gets pulled, tries to swallow the drug, and the officer tries to prevent this, and during the struggle, the junkie dies and you're outraged that a moron did something stupid and then ended up dying?

**djwolford** · 07-16-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by MalReynolds

So, wait - a guy addicted to Meth gets pulled, tries to swallow the drug, and the officer tries to prevent this, and during the struggle, the junkie dies and you're outraged that a moron did something stupid and then ended up dying?

Look just because the guy is an idiot doesn't give the cop the right to break his fecking neck. Since when is possession of a small amount of meth worth of the death penalty. Jesus dude don't have you any morals?

**MalReynolds** · 07-16-2009, 09:53 AM

there are two sides to police brutality. the first side would argue the cop did what needed to be done to save his life and do his job, and the second side would consider the policeman a monster who went to measures far beyond what was necessary, to a reckless degree.

this one falls into the second one imo. there's absolutely zero reason why you would ever have to put somebody in a choke hold as a cop--that's why handcuffs and other non-harmful restraining methods exist. if there was a weapon present or any suspicion of a weapon being present, then i would relinquish my contempt for this particular cop. however, if somebody puts a bag of drugs in their mouth to try and evade arrest, you don't fucking choke them which may or may not have had anything to do with the man's death.

to add contrast, if for example the man in the car started reaching for something in the glove box suspiciously, i wouldn't blame the cop for rocking the dude in the face.

the point is, if nobody is in imminent danger of being injured, there is zero reason to use potentially life-threatening levels of force. getting a bag of meth from a guy's mouth so you can meet your arrest quota hardly qualifies as justification for possibly contributing to his death.