Thread: Parent's Rights, where do you stand?

Originally Posted by gwahir

Jesus, Mr Troy, I get that some cultures find certain things to be moral, but what I'm saying is that that conception of morality doesn't make sense; it is flawed, incoherent, or simply meaningless. No matter what orthodox Muslims/Jews/whoevers think about the way they treat their women, it is immoral.

There you go again, with the italicized "It Is Immoral". Why are YOU the person who decides what IS and IS NOT moral? You can not seem to wrap your head around what subjective means. Just because you say that X cultures values and morals are meaningless and flawed, doesn't make it so. The only reason you believe so is because you were raised with what our cultures consider moral. You have tunnel vision.

If you were born and raised as a Muslim in the middle east, you would be quite certain that someone who holds the beliefs and moral standards of a MrTroy, Syme, Sycld, or Gwahir would be quite immoral, and you would be CERTAIN of it. You seem to have trouble separating your argument from your personal beliefs, much like religious zealots can't separate their religious beliefs when talking about what should be taught in school or the laws of the country. I can hold my own set of personal moral beliefs, which believe it or not align quite a bit with yours, but I still recognize that our version of morality is NO MORE SUPERIOR than any other standard. We feel ours is standard and superior because it is OUR code of morality, to us OUR views on morality subjects make the best sense, and they are crazy. Just as the Taliban members are just as certain that their code of morals should be the standard. Just because YOU say that your view of morality is the right one, and these others are flawed, doesn't make it so.

You are using flawed circular logic, "My moral views are right, Why? Because the others are flawed and meaningless, Why? Because my moral views are right, Why? Because they make more sense, Why? Because their moral code justifies bad treatment of women, which is immoral, Why? Because it is"

Now, I am not trying to put words in your mouth, it has quotation marks around it because it separates it as my example, but that is the jist of your argument.